How the Illuminati have Destroyed the Family and taken the Feminism out of FEMale.

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Permalink Reply by phoenician on February 8, 2010 at 9:04am

Thanks for your comments Rah, and as Im sure you must know I take no offence or have any hard feelings towards you for voicing them, its good to get anothers perspective on issues. Anyway youre my loopy cousin o`er the pond hehe and my partner in crime woohoo. rock on Im gone.

Oh I do understand that many women are needing to go out to work with the present state of the economy.

Permalink Reply by phoenician on February 8, 2010 at 9:06am

Thats his department. ( Rubbish I mean)

Permalink Reply by Rah on February 8, 2010 at 9:11am

Yep, the economy sucks LOL.I'm way thankful to have the two jobs I do, even when I get tired, I'd
much rather be tired and employed than rested and worried about paying bills anyday.
And YEP you're my loopy cousin o'er the pond and my
partner in crime too, woohooo!
Hey I haven't gotten kicked offline here yet, I'm gonna check out the music on your page now and
possibly even shake my ass a bit lol.

Rah was here :)

Permalink Reply by phoenician on February 9, 2010 at 4:33pm

Heres an article that was in one of the UK Daily Papers a few months ago.

The ego epidemic: How more and more of us women have an inflated sense of our own fabulousness
By Lucy Taylor
Last updated at 7:55 AM on 14th September 2009
Us women are more egocentric and narcissistic than we ever used to be, according to extensive research by two leading psychologists.
More of us have huge expectations of ourselves, our lives and everyone in them. We think the universe resolves around us, with a deluded sense of our own fabulousness, and believe we are cleverer, more talented and more attractive than we actually are.
We have trouble accepting criticism and extending empathy because we are so preoccupied with ourselves.
Am I making you angry by telling you this? It figures. Narcissistic or egotistical women do have an overwhelming sense of entitlement and arrogance.
Of course, I joke, but researchers say there is growing evidence of an epidemic of ego-itis everywhere.
Once a traditionally male syndrome, narcissism generally begins at home and in schools, where children are praised excessively, often spoiled rotten and given the relentless message that they are 'special'.
Psychology professors Jean Twenge and Keith Campbell analysed studies on 37,000 college students in 2006.
In a survey, 30 per cent of them said they believed they should get good grades simply for turning up.
NET WORTH: Facebook is a boon for those with narcissistic traits, who use the networking site for self-promotion, says a recent study
And it's not just about how intelligent they think they are. In the workplace, in friendships, even in motherhood, the pervading culture seems to have become one of competitiveness, superiority and one-upmanship.
But the sphere in which the signs of self-obsession are perhaps most obvious, and the consequences most immediately felt, is the dating one.

In a recent magazine article, four women in their late 20s and 30s shared their thoughts about why they were still single. A 39-year-old beauty director claimed to be too independent for a relationship.
A 38-year-old music agent attributed her single status to the fact she was an alpha female - independent, feisty, strong-minded, high-achieving and intimidating.
Mirror, mirror: Are woman increasingly believing that the universe revolves around them?
She pointed out that she owned a gorgeous flat with gorgeous things in it, had a nice car, was a member of a fancy gym and wore designer dresses. 'I do what I like, when I like,' she said.
She'd been told, and appears to believe, that she's too successful and too well-educated for most men.
The third woman, a 30-year- old arts writer and curator, has been having too much fun to settle down.
Another, a 29-year-old, said she was too picky. She was looking for a guy who is (just) tall enough. And (just about) good-looking enough (but not too good-looking so that she'd play second fiddle).

He needs to be successful, solvent and driven. He must also be long on genuinely good jokes, with a decent sideline in bad ones that only she finds funny.
He needs to 'speak good restaurant', to have no special dietary requirements and to always be discerning without ever being fussy.

Me, me, me: The workplace is one area where women can develop an over-inflated view of themselves
He needs to be clever without ever making her feel stupid. He needs to 'get' but not 'know' fashion...and so the list went on.
She concluded that she would rather eat wasps than share her Sunday with anyone who fails to measure up to her idea of Mr Perfect.
Of course, there is nothing wrong with having high expectations. But being delusional and having a totally unrealistic blueprint are an altogether different matter.
And they often go hand in hand with acute ego-itis. As Margot Medhurt knows only too well.
She is the founder of Yours Sincerely, an Edinburgh-based personal dating and introduction agency for professionals. She has almost 30 years' experience in the industry and has noticed a significant rise in this phenomenon in recent years.
'It used to be that most women who joined a dating agency had a pretty good idea of where they stood in the eligibility stakes,' she said. 'But in the past few years, I've noticed that there are a significant number of women who don't.
'They tend to be in their 30s, and there is a wide discrepancy between how they perceive themselves and how others see them.
'They are often very plain, but see themselves as being absolutely fabulous, exceptional people.
'They invariably reject every guy's profile I send them. But if a guy rejects their profile, there is all hell to pay. There is disbelief. They are really saying: "I'm so fabulous. How dare he turn me down?"
'In the past few years, I've noticed a real sense of entitlement among this small group of women. The idea that a guy might not find them as amazing as they find themselves doesn't enter their head.
'They often become indignant and angry towards me, demanding to know why a guy dared to turn them down. Most people simply accept the facts of the dating game: some people will find you attractive and others won't, in the same way that you'll be drawn to some but not others.

Women today think the universe revolves around them and have a deluded sense of their abilities
'These women, however, are unable to get their heads around the fact that the rest of the world might not share the distorted, inflated view they have of themselves.'
She said she had a eureka moment when she read a recent article about the rise in narcissism among women.
According to the American research, there has been a 67 per cent increase in it over the past two decades, mainly among women.

An estimated ten per cent of the population suffers from narcissism as a full-blown personality disorder.

The symptoms include: a grandiose sense of self-importance; the belief that he or she is special or unique and in some way better - either intellectually or physically - than others; a requirement for excessive admiration; a sense of entitlement, whether to fame, fortune, success and happiness or simply to special treatment; enviousness of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her; an inability to empathise; an inability to admit a mistake; and haughty behaviour or attitude.

Food for thought: One woman said she would not share time with a man unless he was her ideal of Mr Perfect
What researchers have also identified, and are far more worried about, is what has been described as 'normal' narcissism - a cultural shift that has seen even non-narcissistic people seduced by the emphasis on material wealth, physical appearance and celebrity worship.
The researchers believe our culture brings out narcissistic behaviour in almost all of us.

They blame the internet (where 'fame' is a click away), reality television (where the lure of fame without talent is most prevalent), easy credit (which enables people to buy far beyond their ability to pay), celebrity worship, our highly consumerist, competitive and individualistic society, and a generation of indulgent parents who have raised their children to think they're special, amazing and perfect.
According to Twenge, this focus on self-admiration has caused a cultural flight from reality to the land of grandiose fantasy.
We have phony rich people (who actually have massive mortgages and piles of debt), phony beauty (via plastic surgery), phony celebrities (via reality TV and YouTube), phony genius students (with grade inflation) and phony friends (with the social networking explosion).

TOP DOG: Narcissists are most likely to end up in leadership roles despite the fact they often don't make good leaders, according to a U.S. survey
'I had noticed this trend, but wasn't really sure what it was all about,' says Margaret Medhurt.

'However, when I read that article and thought about the unrealistic expectations and sense of entitlement among some of the women, it really struck a chord.
'One of the cases that brought it home to me involved a 38-year-old businesswoman.
'I knew there were going to be problems right away. As soon as someone joins the agency, we get things moving very quickly - but this wasn't quick enough for this woman.

'She wanted a date immediately. The first man I sent her profile to declined an introduction and she was extremely cross. She couldn't accept it and she couldn't even be polite about it.
'In three weeks, three men turned her down. I explained that it takes time to meet someone but she just got angrier and angrier. She was demanding to know why these guys did this. I was trying to get the balance right - between being honest with her and being tactful.
'I think, ultimately, she had a very flawed perception of herself. And she almost couldn't bear that it was being challenged. It was as if she couldn't deal with the fact that some guys didn't think she was amazing - and she left.'
Men, traditionally regarded as the more self-centred of the species and the rogues of the mating game, are left scratching their heads and pondering Freud's famous question: what do women want?
David Baxter (not his real name) is a 40-year-old management consultant. Previously married for nine years, he joined a dating agency in the summer.
He says he's not perfect, but is told he's an eligible and pleasant guy with a lot to offer.

'I've had three successive dates recently with ladies in the late 30s to early 40s age bracket that have left me dumbfounded,' he said.
'I've never come across such massive egos, such arrogance and lack of basic courtesy.
'It was as if these particular dates were a forum for them to tell me how exceptional they were. One told me repeatedly how many young guys at the gym asked her out; another was very artificial.
'You sensed that they absolutely worshipped themselves, though none of them was drop-dead gorgeous or had amazing personalities, jobs or anything else to set them apart and elevate themselves into some superior position.
'I also thought it was quite telling that none of them had ever been married, engaged or had recently - or perhaps ever - been in a long-term relationship.
'I got the feeling that these women were living in a Sex And The City-inspired fantasy world. I also sensed that nobody would ever be good enough for them.
'They seem to be looking for something that doesn't exist: Mr Perfect, or perhaps some larger-than-life, dashingly handsome and unattainable character such as that portrayed by Mr Big. Nothing else will do.'

Despite his recent experience, David still considers himself lucky.

'I'm still positive about the whole thing, but I have friends who are not so optimistic and it's evident that encounters with these sort of women seriously erode their self-confidence, which is a real shame. There are a lot of genuine, decent guys out there who are getting a rough deal.'

Neil Hay is a 32-year-old former professional golfer-turned-financial consultant who lives on the outskirts of Edinburgh.

After taking some time out following the death of his mother, he joined a dating agency almost a year ago.
'It's made me terribly cynical, not just about the way women are, but also about what on earth it is that they are looking for in a guy,' he said.
'Of course, we all have standards and preferences. There's nothing wrong with that. But most of us are also realistic. We know that Cheryl Cole is out of our league.
'I had been hoping to meet someone who was quite nice-looking, with a good personality, someone to go for dinner and to the cinema and have a decent conversation with. But I'm left feeling that this isn't what women are looking for.
'It's as if they want to be swept off their feet right from the first date, as if they're waiting for someone like Brad Pitt or George Clooney. They're not interested in a regular, normal, decent guy. That's not good enough for them.
'I spent three hours on a date with one woman. I thought we got on brilliantly, but then she said she didn't want to meet again.
'This has happened a few times. It makes me think that if you don't live up to their perfect fantasy, then that's it. It's game over before you've even had any chance to begin to get to know each other.
'It does dent your confidence. I'm left thinking either that there's something wrong with me or that I'll just never be whatever it is that these women are looking for.
'I know there are a lot of single women who say things like they're too independent, too feisty, too confident or too successful for men. Or they claim that men are intimidated by strong, intelligent and independent women.
'But this is simply not the case. I think they just tell themselves this. It's a way of rationalising things. It's as if it's easier for them to believe their own myths than to face reality - that they are completely ordinary.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-...

Permalink Reply by phoenician on February 9, 2010 at 4:55pm

this from the New York Times at roughly same time as the above article was published in England

Blue Is the New Black
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: September 19, 2009

Women are getting unhappier, I told my friend Carl.
“How can you tell?” he deadpanned. “It’s always been whine-whine-whine.”
Why are we sadder? I persisted.
“Because you care,” he replied with a mock sneer. “You have feelings.”
Oh, that.

In the early ’70s, breaking out of the domestic cocoon, leaving their mothers’ circumscribed lives behind, young women felt exhilarated and bold.
But the more women have achieved, the more they seem aggrieved. Did the feminist revolution end up benefiting men more than women?
According to the General Social Survey, which has tracked Americans’ mood since 1972, and five other major studies around the world, women are getting gloomier and men are getting happier.

Before the ’70s, there was a gender gap in America in which women felt greater well-being. Now there’s a gender gap in which men feel better about their lives.

As Arianna Huffington points out in a blog post headlined “The Sad, Shocking Truth About How Women Are Feeling”: “It doesn’t matter what their marital status is, how much money they make, whether or not they have children, their ethnic background, or the country they live in. Women around the world are in a funk.”

(The one exception is black women in America, who are a bit happier than they were in 1972, but still not as happy as black men.)

Marcus Buckingham, a former Gallup researcher who has a new book out called “Find Your Strongest Life: What the Happiest and Most Successful Women Do Differently,” says that men and women passed each other midpoint on the graph of life.

“Though women begin their lives more fulfilled than men, as they age, they gradually become less happy,” Buckingham writes in his new blog on The Huffington Post, pointing out that this darker view covers feelings about marriage, money and material goods. “Men, in contrast, get happier as they get older.”

Buckingham and other experts dispute the idea that the variance in happiness is caused by women carrying a bigger burden of work at home, the “second shift.” They say that while women still do more cooking, cleaning and child-caring, the trend lines are moving toward more parity, which should make them less stressed.

When women stepped into male- dominated realms, they put more demands — and stress — on themselves. If they once judged themselves on looks, kids, hubbies, gardens and dinner parties, now they judge themselves on looks, kids, hubbies, gardens, dinner parties — and grad school, work, office deadlines and meshing a two-career marriage.

“Choice is inherently stressful,” Buckingham said in an interview. “And women are being driven to distraction.”

One area of extreme distraction is kids. “Across the happiness data, the one thing in life that will make you less happy is having children,” said Betsey Stevenson, an assistant professor at Wharton who co-wrote a paper called “The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness.” “It’s true whether you’re wealthy or poor, if you have kids late or kids early. Yet I know very few people who would tell me they wish they hadn’t had kids or who would tell me they feel their kids were the destroyer of their happiness.”

The more important things that are crowded into their lives, the less attention women are able to give to each thing.

Add this to the fact that women are hormonally more complicated and biologically more vulnerable. Women are much harder on themselves than men.

They tend to attach to other people more strongly, beat themselves up more when they lose attachments, take things more personally at work and pop far more antidepressants.

“Women have lives that become increasingly empty,” Buckingham said. “They’re doing more and feeling less.”

Another daunting thing: America is more youth and looks obsessed than ever, with an array of expensive cosmetic procedures that allow women to be their own Frankenstein Barbies.

Men can age in an attractive way while women are expected to replicate — and Restylane — their 20s into their 60s.

Buckingham says that greater prosperity has made men happier. And they are also relieved of bearing sole responsibility for their family finances, and no longer have the pressure of having women totally dependent on them.

Men also tend to fare better romantically as time wears on. There are more widows than widowers, and men have an easier time getting younger mates.

Stevenson looks on the bright side of the dark trend, suggesting that happiness is beside the point. We’re happy to have our newfound abundance of choices, she said, even if those choices end up making us unhappier.

A paradox, indeed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/opinion/20dowd.html?_r=2&hp

Permalink Reply by phoenician on February 9, 2010 at 5:38pm

if the above articles arent enough to support how Females have lost their feminity then check this and the links with it out.


Hollywood continues a relentless campaign to celebrate violence and aggression in women. Movies, television shows and commercials regularly feature fist-fighting females of all ages. These role models are not about female empowerment. They promote the false notion that diminutive females regularly can overpower and physically defeat much larger males.

They also glorify fighting in general, which is simply not a part of life for any civilized adult.

This isn't played for comedy any longer, as it was in the days when Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble would beat up Fred and Barney, or when Mary Tyler Moore would beat up Dick Van Dyke.

In those days, there had to be a "gimmick" utilized to explain the obvious improbability of smaller women overpowering larger men. Usually, this was attributed to judo or karate lessons.

Now, the female characters simply are able to punch out larger males, and no questions are asked.

The females are almost always the pretty, thin, super model-types. Thus female viewers identify. On the rare occasions when a fat or large boned woman does the beating up, it is done for comic effect.

AGGRESSORS
The females are not merely defending themselves from male ogres; more often than not, they are actually looking for a physical fight. They wear the same mean spirited, no nonsense expressions that nearly all actresses seem to wear nowadays, and often they initiate the fights. Well, it's not normally much of a fight, because the man is usually knocked cold (or at least down) with one mighty feminine blow.

The Lois Lane character on the otherwise excellent show Smallville is one such bully. She has been beating up men, often armed (once she overpowered a huge SWAT team member in full gear), on a regular a basis, with nothing more than her pretty little fists and her magical, flying-Matrix-like drop kicks.

This lady looks for trouble all the time. She is the aggressor, not some Neanderthal male trying to paw at her.

Despite this disturbing character flaw, she is well liked by all the other characters. The audience is supposed to like her too.

If anything, Hollywood scriptwriters are becoming more fanciful. In the recent television series V, the middle-aged female lead rushed an armed assassin from a long distance and tackled him, as throngs of wimpy males looked on in admiration. This female-as-aggressor campaign has been especially prominent on children's television shows.

On the Nickelodeon teen show I Carly, Carly's best friend Sam is a petite blonde girl who somehow can beat up every male (and is always eager to do so). On Drake And Josh, the same actress who plays the lead in I Carly, Amanda Cosgrove, then a very young girl, bullies and utterly dominates her older teenage brothers. She beats them up frequently, and they are terrified of her. The character is completely odious, with not a single redeeming quality yet she never gets her comeuppance and is portrayed positively. Again, the audience is supposed to like this little monster.

WHY?
What is the purpose of pushing this patently absurd notion so consistently and for so long?

Instead of encouraging men to be more sensitive and less brutish and aggressive, we are now fostering a belligerent, in-your-face attitude in females.As result, females are growing more violent in real life. In the UK, the number of violent crimes committed by girls 10-17 doubled between 2005 and 2008.

A search of You Tube reveals a spate of videos featuring young girls punching each other. Often, it is a group attack on one hapless victim.

Then there are violent young women in women's soccer.
Clearly, female-on-male violence in movies and television is having an unfortunate impact on today's young women.
Why do we bother to teach our children that fighting is wrong, if our movies, television and video games constantly preach the opposite?
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Makow Comment: This is elite social engineering designed to erase gender identity and thus undermine marriage and family. Part of masculine identity is protecting and providing for women and children. Obviously aggressive women become masculine themselves and act to neuter or feminize men.

UPdate-- Huge Increase in Female Violent Crimes

80% School Fights-Girl on Girl

Permalink Reply by Rah on February 10, 2010 at 6:25am

Hello, just read the above, and one of the first things that comes to mind is,
I think the overall notion of femininity has changed over time.

What it seems the above articles are stating as far as the decline of femininity, the
classic definition of the word means something totally different to the women of today,
at least those who are classed as being influenced by feminism that is.

I keep thinking back to when I was little and my dad, though he did spoil me a bit (a lot actually)
had absolutely no patience with me when I'd ask for help with something that he felt I was capable of
doing myself (within reason), he would say on many an occasion, Oh don't play the helpless female
role with me, you can do it! A lot of my friends were given similar messages from their fathers as well.

I think if this is instilled in you, you won't ever grow up thinking to let a man protect or take care of you.
It won't be because you wish to emasculate him or take away any biological desire he might have, it's
simply because you know no other way to be.

This example aside, where it mentions violence in the media and the depiction of women fighting like men,
I'm not even sure that this transformation even registers with most people as a lack of femininity??

I mean, I think a lot of people equate feminism as being female, not being traditionally feminine as per the
definition of a few generations ago. Empowerment, a predominant aspect of feminism, is being displayed as
women having power, being able to take care of themselves, being independent, not being "victims" to men etc.
Unlike turn of the century movies where women are the ones being hunted or pursued by the dark stranger lurking in the bushes, the woman either faints and falls victim to them, or makes a feeble attempt to run away but always ends up twisting their ankle and all she's left to defend herself with is a pitiful attempt to hold her hands in front of her face and plead for her life.

Such depictions of women in films today would be vehemently rejected by nearly all women I'd bet, because it portrays women as weak, as needing protecting, as if we can't take care of ourselves.

I think the definitions of feminine have changed over time. If you see a woman kicking a man's ass in a movie, if she's wearing lipstick and heels at the time, that can be considered feminine lol.

Out of curiosity I've had my male friend read through this thread and he was present as I wrote my first reply. His first comment was, You were beautiful and feminine before you met me; You didn't need me to become
either of those. That was in reference to that article suggesting a woman loses her beauty without a man's companionship. I also asked him if he felt as a man, the desire to protect me, or any woman for that matter, and if he found independent women a turn off.

He replied that he does love pampering and taking care of a woman as far as showing his love and affection, but he also said that an independent and assertive woman is "one hell of a turn on."

I guess it really depends on the man and what he wants in a woman; Some men want women they can protect, some want women who are assertive, living in a man's world like they are etc. I think feminism means different things to different people, personally. Because though my male friend thinks of me as very feminine, as do many others around me, I know that some others would think me anything but.

The last statement about when women become aggressive and masculine, I don't think women make these changes to purposely do anything to men. A man can only be "neutered" or feminized if they allow themselves to be, and there are men who are just naturally like this, and women who prefer that.

Anyway, women becoming more aggressive these days, I think possibly has less to do with feminism than it does responding to an increasingly violent and dangerous world. We HAVE to be able to protect ourselves from the astronomical rate of violence and crime out there. We don't want to be victims or appear weak, so we have to look strong and assertive. I think these days it's more about our safety and survival. If we look as though we can't take care of ourselves, we'll be more likely targets. I think the depiction of women as being assertive, tough and defending ourselves in movies is giving women the message that we're capable of protecting ourselves. That in itself is a positive message I think. IBy the same token, I don't think it diminishes the role of men in our lives. You can be sensitive and responsive and feminine by traditional standards when you're alone with your man. This doesn't have to change. In the outside world though, I think more than ever it's important for women to appear more assertive these days...not to try and become masculine, but merely as a response to the increasingly violent world we live in.

Had another thought but it's gone out of my head, will come back to this later lol.

Just my initial thoughts anyway!

Rah :)

Permalink Reply by Rah on February 10, 2010 at 7:23am

Ok, back on track now for the time being that is lol.

In response to the first article about ego and a lot of us having overinflated ones, well I'd be kind
of a hypocrite if I disagreed since I know for a fact I've had and still do have issues in this area
myself.

Could it be possibly though that some women actually feel inferior and are merely projecting themselves
to compensate for their own insecurities? Much like men who act overly macho and controlling are simply
insecure and afraid deep inside, but just feel the need to act a certain way to save face or protect themselves from others' perceptions and judgment?

I think we all wear a certain coat of armor to get us through life and certain situations; I wonder how many women who act overly important or superior, feel anything but that?

I totally agree with men scratching their heads, wondering what women want, and to this I feel
really bad for men because it's true, there are a lot of great, decent guys out there who no longer
have any clue as to what women want anymore.

While I'm all for a woman doing what she wants and making a life for herself, I think it's a shame when
at the extreme end of the feminism spectrum, women end up alienating men completely.

I've seen (not often but enough times) men hold a door open for a woman and the woman will snap at them and say something like, I can open my own door! OMG! Ok that's totally unncessary and completely rude.
Shit, no wonder men are apprehensive about approaching women these days. Now out of fear, a lot of men don't hold doors for women, and women now think these men are disrespectful, whereas some may just be, but some are just trying to give women what they think we want.

No wonder why men and women these days have such a hard time connecting. We don't know what each other wants and our signals keep getting mixed up.

Rah :)

Permalink Reply by Rah on February 10, 2010 at 7:50am

In the Blue is the new Black article, I don't think it's realistic to
say who is happier at what stage of their lives, men or women. So many
variables are in effect in our lives, and each of us has very different ideas as
to what will produce happiness in our lives.

I found it interesting to read the statement about women with children having less
happiness? Most women I know with kids certainly wouldn't agree with this, and I can't
see how such a sweeping statement can be made, especially when within the same
paragraph it states that despite this, most women wouldn't feel that way?

From a personal standpoint I know that my own mom was much happier when she was
at her job than when she was taking care of my brother and myself. When we lived in Hawaii
and my mom wasn't working, just taking care of myself and my brother, my mom was more
depressed and miserable than at any other time in her life, she said that much to me. She hated
taking care of kids as her only job. She felt so much happier when she was at the job she loved.
Her choice toward achieving happiness was to find fulfillment at a rewarding career. She said that she
had kids because "That's what people did, they got married and had kids" that was her reply when I
asked her why she had kids in the first place.

Other mothers I know, many of whom are friends from my childhood, some who insisted they never wanted to have kids, have found being a mother the most wonderful, rewarding experience of their lives, and of those who had been in careers before having children, those who were able to afford to
quit working to raise kids fulltime, have done just that and haven't regretted a minute.

I think it's important to try things out to find out what makes you happy. I think though that before anyone has kids, they should have that basic maternal desire to do so. It's easy to quit a job once
you've tried it out for a while, but once you're a mother, you can't just walk away from it.

Permalink Reply by E.L.E. on February 10, 2010 at 11:34am

Phoenician I think your absolutly right. The fall of the family unit has been in a spiral down fall since the early eighties. When it took two paychecks to live a comfortable lifestyle. Feminism is not bad, you need to respect eachother. If the man is the sole bread winner. He should respect the job his wife does at home. The two are equals. My Mom worked outside the house. When Dad got home from work he helped clean house, cook, ect. The point is they did it together. They respected eachother.

Permalink Reply by alienation on February 10, 2010 at 2:48pm

Hear hear E.L.E.

If any of this was her own work I might read it. She puts woman to shame. I can't believe the drivel. Get a life - go look after your children.

Permalink Reply by Rah on February 10, 2010 at 3:30pm

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, whether you agree with them or not.

It's a shame that you're not able to express your views in a respectful manner, but instead
dismiss the opinions of others as drivel.

Phoenician has added tons of useful materials to this site and others, not to persuade anyone to
agree or disagree with anything she has to say, but to merely provide information for us so we can
make our own minds up while becoming more informed.

It's too bad that you don't appreciate the efforts of Phoenician and others like her who spend their own
free time putting information here for us to explore.

Rah

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